- The First and Last King of Haiti: The Rise and Fall of Henry Christophe
- Awakening the Ashes
- Baron de Vastey and the Origins of Black Atlantic Humanism
- Empowered Voices: Haitian Women in Academia
In this comprehensive conversation, Dr. Marlene Daut, a full professor at Yale, discusses her journey through academia, highlighting the challenges she faced due to racial and gender biases.
From her initial aspirations to be a novelist inspired by Edwidge Danticat to becoming a historian focusing on Haitian literature and the Haitian Revolution, Marlena emphasizes the complexities of navigating academic gatekeeping and publishing.
She reflects on her experiences with microaggressions, the gatekeeping in publishing, and the necessity of self-promotion in academia. Additionally, the discussion touches on the role of black women in academe, their informal networks of support, and the advice she would offer to emerging black women scholars. Marlena’s insights also cover the impact of the Me Too movement on academic dynamics and the continued significance of Haitian studies in understanding broader historical and contemporary issues.
Navigating the Academic World:
This episode features a rich conversation with Marlene Daut, a professor who delves into her experiences and challenges navigating the academic world as a black woman. She shares her reflections on the pressures and biases within academia, her journey to becoming a professor, and the significance of working on Haitian studies.
Marlene emphasizes the importance of staying true to one’s own path, the difficulties of self-promotion, dealing with academic gatekeeping, and the need for systemic change in power structures. She also discusses her roles as an editor and her approach to mentorship and collaboration within the academic community, especially for emerging black women scholars.
00:00 Introduction and Initial Banter
01:35 Reflecting on Career Choices
04:10 Challenges in Academia
07:16 Publishing Gatekeeping
16:01 Self-Promotion in Academia
20:24 The Importance of Haitian History
26:50 Support Networks for Black Women in Academia
27:37 Breaking Barriers in Black Women’s Writing
28:35 The Importance of Black Digital Studies
29:39 Formal and Informal Networks of Support
30:22 Addressing Trust in Historical Narratives
31:01 Navigating Academia as a Black Scholar
35:20 The Power of Saying No
40:30 Balancing Professional and Personal Identities
47:13 Reflecting on Academic Priorities
50:51 The Role of a Black Woman Gatekeeper
54:37 The Nature of Power and Its Challenges
56:29 The Role of Black Scholars in Academia
59:31 Haitian Studies in the Academic Landscape
01:04:34 Advice for Emerging Black Women Scholars 0
1:11:23 Impact of the Me Too Movement on Academia
01:15:06 Concluding Thoughts and Final Remarks
This study guide is designed to help you review the key concepts and themes discussed in the interview with Dr. Marlène Daut. The interview covers Dr. Daut’s personal journey in academia, her experiences with gatekeeping and self-promotion, her views on Haitian studies, and the dynamics of power within the university setting.
Key Themes and Concepts:
- Academic Journey and Aspirations: Dr. Daut’s initial desire to be a novelist, influenced by writers like Edwidge Danticat, and her eventual path to becoming a historian of literature focusing on Haiti.
- Gatekeeping in Academia and Publishing: The challenges Dr. Daut faced as a Black woman scholar in getting her work on Haitian literature and history recognized and published. This includes explicit rejections, microaggressions from peers, and institutional biases based on alma mater and advisor reputation.
- Self-Promotion and Visibility: Dr. Daut’s evolving understanding of self-promotion, the discomfort she initially felt with it, and the advice she received on how to make her work visible within and outside the academy.
- Defining Success: Dr. Daut’s personal definition of success, which prioritizes contributing to the conversation and getting her ideas out, rather than conforming to traditional academic metrics or seeking external validation.
- Haitian Studies: The marginalization of Haitian studies within the academy, the privileging of certain historical figures like Toussaint Louverture, and the need to convince others of the importance of studying Haiti and its figures.
- Power Dynamics and Representation: Dr. Daut’s observations on the power structures within academia, the challenges faced by Black women in achieving positions of power, and the subtle and overt ways they can be pushed out or disadvantaged.
- “Small P” vs. “Big P” Power: Dr. Daut’s perspective on power, suggesting that breaking down “big P” power structures is more important than achieving it, and highlighting the potential of “small P” power to challenge the status quo.
- Navigating Academic Life as a Black Woman: The unique obstacles and experiences faced by Black women in academia, including the scrutiny of personal choices (like having children before tenure) and the emotional labor of constantly pushing back against stereotypes and biases.
- The Impact of Mentorship and Networking: The importance of finding supportive advisors and building networks, both formal and informal, to navigate the challenges of academia.
- The Shifting Landscape of Academia: The increasing emphasis on public scholarship and the potential benefits and risks associated with engaging with broader audiences.
- Changes Brought by the Me Too Movement: The observed shift in dynamics between male professors and students, leading to more cautious interactions outside of formal academic settings.
Quiz
Answer the following questions in 2-3 sentences each.
- What was Dr. Marlene Daut’s initial career aspiration before becoming a professor?
- Describe one example of gatekeeping Dr. Daut experienced as a graduate student.
- What did an editor tell Dr. Daut about the market for her book Tropics of Haiti?
- How does Dr. Daut define personal success in her academic career?
- Why does Dr. Daut believe studying figures other than Toussaint Louverture in Haitian history is important?
- What was Dr. Daut’s initial feeling about engaging in self-promotion for her work?
- According to Dr. Daut, what was one common piece of advice given to women in graduate school regarding family planning?
- How has the Me Too movement impacted the dynamics between male professors and students, according to Dr. Daut?
- What does Dr. Daut suggest focusing on instead of pursuing “big P” power within academia?
- What does Dr. Daut recommend paying close attention to when reading the work of historians, especially those writing about marginalized groups?
Quiz Answer Key
- Before becoming a professor, Dr. Marlène Daut initially wanted to be a writer, specifically a novelist, inspired by authors like Edwidge Danticat.
- One example of gatekeeping Dr. Daut experienced was a white female graduate student throwing her printout about culture at her, implying it was somehow less important or tainted because it dealt with culture. Another example was white male graduate students bragging about not reading works by women or people of color on their exam lists and still passing.
- An editor told Dr. Daut that there was “absolutely no market” for a book about the literature of the Haitian Revolution, suggesting it was too esoteric.
- Dr. Daut defines personal success as contributing to the conversation, getting her ideas out, and publishing where she wants to publish, rather than conforming to traditional metrics or seeking external validation.
- Dr. Daut believes it’s important to study other historical figures from Haiti beyond Toussaint Louverture because privileging only one figure can lead to the forgetting of other significant individuals who also lived extraordinarily influential lives.
- Dr. Daut initially felt very awkward and uncomfortable engaging in self-promotion for her work due to being raised with messages about not boasting or being arrogant.
- One common piece of advice given to women in graduate school, according to Dr. Daut, was to not have children until after achieving tenure.
- According to Dr. Daut, the Me Too movement has changed the dynamics by making male professors more cautious about inviting students to outside events or interacting with them outside of the university setting.
- Dr. Daut suggests focusing on using “small P” power to make it harder for people with “big P” power to get away with their actions, rather than primarily pursuing “big P” power itself.
- Dr. Daut recommends paying close attention to the prefaces and forewords of historical works, as she believes they often reveal the author’s motivations and underlying perspectives about the figures or topics they are studying.
Essay Format Questions
- Discuss the various forms of gatekeeping Dr. Marlène Daut encountered throughout her academic career, from her undergraduate studies to the publishing process. How did these experiences shape her approach to her work and her definition of success?
- Analyze Dr. Daut’s perspective on self-promotion in academia. How did her understanding of it evolve, and what advice did she receive that helped her navigate this aspect of the profession? What are the potential benefits and drawbacks of self-promotion for scholars, particularly for Black women scholars?
- Examine the challenges faced by Haitian studies within the American academy as described by Dr. Daut. What are the reasons for its marginalization, and how does the privileging of certain figures like Toussaint Louverture impact the field? What changes does Dr. Daut hope to see in how Haitian studies is positioned within universities?
- Explore Dr. Daut’s views on power dynamics within academia, contrasting her ideas of “big P” and “small P” power. How does she believe scholars, particularly Black women, can navigate and potentially challenge existing power structures?
- Reflect on the advice Dr. Daut would give to emerging Black women scholars today, particularly regarding balancing personal life and academic career, and navigating the obstacles they might face. How does her own experience inform this advice, and what does she see as the key to perseverance and success on one’s own terms?
Glossary of Key Terms
Me Too Movement: A social movement against sexual harassment and sexual assault, in which people publicize allegations of sex crimes committed by powerful men.
Academia: The academic world; the community of scholars and students in universities and colleges.
Creative Writing: A form of writing that goes beyond normal professional, journalistic, academic, or technical forms of literature, typically identified by an emphasis on narrative craft, character development, and the use of literary tropes.
Historian of Literature: A scholar who studies the history of literature, including literary movements, genres, and the social and cultural contexts in which literature is produced and received.
Haitian Revolution: A successful anti-slavery and anti-colonial insurrection by self-liberated enslaved people against French colonial rule in Saint-Domingue, which culminated in the establishment of the independent state of Haiti.
Gatekeeping (in Academia/Publishing): The process by which individuals or institutions control access to knowledge, resources, opportunities, or recognition within a field. This can manifest in various ways, including biases in hiring, promotion, peer review, and publishing decisions.
Microaggressions: Brief, commonplace daily verbal, behavioral, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial, gender, sexual orientation, and religious slights and insults toward target persons or groups.
Edwidge Danticat: A Haitian-American writer known for her novels, short stories, and essays that explore themes of Haitian history, identity, and the immigrant experience.
Toussaint Louverture: A leader of the Haitian Revolution and the first governor of Haiti.
King Henry Christophe: A key leader of the Haitian Revolution and later the ruler of the Kingdom of Haiti.
Tropics of Haiti: Dr. Marlène Daut’s book examining representations of Haiti in literature from the 18th and 19th centuries.
Public Scholarship: Scholarly work that is shared with and accessible to broader audiences outside of traditional academic circles, often through popular media, public lectures, or online platforms.
Tenure: A status granted to a professor after a probationary period, providing permanent employment and protection from dismissal except for just cause.
Retention Package: An offer made by a university to a faculty member to encourage them to stay, usually in response to an offer from another institution.
Haitian Exceptionalism: A term coined by Michel-Rolph Trouillot to describe the tendency in some historical narratives to portray Haiti as fundamentally different or anomalous compared to other nations, often in ways that obscure its connections to broader historical processes.
Paratext: Material surrounding the main body of a book or text, such as prefaces, forewords, introductions, notes, and appendices, which can influence how the text is interpreted.
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la ren te la fe mwen, neg yo son di rizon mwen nan grashimen.
Se Marlena. Oke. Sa se awizom. Bon, mwen pèdi pari sa a. Mwen devine nou dwe sispann rankontre konsa, hein? Mwen gen kèk frape. Tankou poukisa w ap entèvyouve li anpil konsa? Mwen te di, bon, li se yon sè move, ou konnen? Se konsa, sa a pral yon ti jan diferan.
Dwa. Paske pa gen okenn tèks devan nou. èske ou pre yon glas pa chans? imajine ou ap gade yon glas kounye a epi w ap gade dèyè nan 17 ane fin vye Marlena. Èske li ta fyè de sa ou te fè ak lavi ou? Oswa desi.
Ki yon kesyon. Mwen panse fyè, men, lè mwen te gen 17 an, mwen pa janm te vle vin yon pwofesè Mwen te vle vin yon ekriven. yon novelis. Mwen pa panse kesyon an se anpil, fyè oswa desi, ke 17 -ane fin vye sa a ta ka di, pou kisa ou vle ekri liv istwa pou ou vle ekri yon woman epi ou dwe tankou Edwidge Danticat paske mwen li tout bonè li yo lè li te nan 17 magazin ak, li te fondamantalman idol mwen Mwen panse ke li ta yon sipriz a 17 ane fin vye tèt mwen. Ak chak liv mwen yo, lè mwen te ale nan ekri pwopozisyon liv la, kòmantè yo ke mwen ta jwenn nan men, zanmi fanmi ak, entelektyèl ki li sou travay mwen. Oke, ou bezwen di nou ki agiman ou. Ou renmen rakonte istwa, epi mwen ta toujou kòmanse ak yon istwa. Mwen toujou te gen istwa nan tèt ou, e sa ta ka youn nan rezon ki fè mwen gravite nan direksyon, pa reyèlman te yon teyorisyen nan literati, men yon istoryen nan literati. Mwen te pwofondman enterese nan ki kantite enpak li te genyen sou lavi moun yo. espesyalman yon evènman tankou revolisyon Ayisyen an, mwen ka prèske pa panse a nenpòt lòt evènman deyò petèt Etazini. Gè Sivil oswa Revolisyon Fransè a ke anpil moun te eseye ekri woman ak pyès teyat e menm fim kòm travay Alyssa Seppenwald la montre nou moun ta ka di, Revolisyon Ayisyen an silansye epi efase nan liv istwa yo, li pa te efase nan imajinasyon literè oswa dramatik la. chita ak tansyon sa a se youn nan bagay mwen te vle rakonte istwa a nan premye liv mwen an, men kounye a m ap ekri istwa aktyèl la nan lavi wa Henry, premye a nan Ayiti, li te pi amizan, pi plis travay, men pwojè ki pi amizan ke mwen te janm angaje nan. Mwen ri ak kriye pandan m ap ekri li, epi mwen pa ka tann pou moun li istwa remakab sa a nan èt imen sa a Lè ou te leve nan akademi an, èske ou te santi tankou ou te toujou ap gade nan ba yo baryè a blan ak estrikti pèmisyon ki ale ak li. Ki sa sa te tankou pou ou vini nan akademi an? O, absoliman. Mwen te espesyalize nan ekriti kreyatif ak franse lè mwen te yon bakaloreya.
ou te oblije rakonte sèten kalite istwa epi mwen te resevwa fòmasyon nan ekriti kreyatif pa moun ki adore Beat yo ak ekriti style Hemingway. Mwen te renmen li bagay sa yo. Mwen te jwenn Jack Kerouac ak tout sa ki trè enteresan, men mwen pa te gen okenn dezi pou imite kalite diskou endirèk gratis sa a. Epi mwen pa te gen okenn dezi pou imite sa paske ekriven yo mwen te li, ou konnen, Jacques – Stéphen Alexis, yo pa t ap ekri tankou sa. Ekri yo te plen ak emosyon ak subjectivite ak fantastik la ak merveilleux la. Se konsa, mwen ta di li te kòmanse la, men mwen pa t ‘konplètman apresye li. Ki kantite baryè ki te genyen jiskaske mwen te rive nan lekòl gradye paske, ou konnen, gen tout mikwoagresyon yo ki te rive nan men lòt etidyan gradye Mwen t ap enprime yon bagay nan bibliyotèk la. li ta ale nan depo santral la ak moun ta oblije pase nan sa ki te pou yo ak sa ki te pou yon lòt moun. Mwen ap tann la epi gen etidyan fi blan sa a devan mwen. Li di, sa dwe pou ou paske li konsène kilti epi fondamantalman voye l ‘sou mwen tankou li gen yon maladi. Mwen pa ka kwè mo kilti a ap voye l ‘nan yon tèt chaje konsa. Li imajine ke li dwe ap fè travay enpòtan ki pa gen anyen fè ak kilti, ke mwen pa ka menm imajine sa li ta ka posib. Se konsa, te gen definitivman senaryo tankou sa yo etidyan gason blan gradye ki t ap vante tèt yo ke yo pa t li okenn nan. Fanm oswa moun ki gen koulè sou lis egzamen nou yo paske yo te sèten konseye yo pa ta janm mande yo sou li epi yo te gen rezon paske yo te pase nan te jwenn travay epi yo te kounye a ekri liv ki replike menm estrikti a, li filtre nan sa mwen te etidye tou paske mwen te vle ekri sou revolisyon Ayisyen an ak kantite fwa ke mwen te rankontre ak. Kisa w ap pale la? Pèsonn pa enterese nan sa. Liv DuBois a te deja soti. Li te soti ane apre mwen te kòmanse lekòl gradye. Liv Sibylla Fisher a te soti, liv Garaway a te soti. Liv John Garagus la te soti. Mwen pa t ‘ka imajine. Yon mond kote mwen te tankou, bon, m ap viv nan yon mond diferan pase yo ap viv nan epi mwen dwe fè yo wè ke mond sa a gen valè. Erezman mwen te jwenn konseye ak moun nan kwen mwen, men batay la pa t sispann lè mwen gradye. Mwen te rakonte istwa a anvan sou twopik Ayiti. Yon editè te di m, youn nan sèlman laprès nan epòk sa a kote ou te kapab. Fè yon soumèt pa imèl rès la ou te oblije voye pa lapòs si se te pwopozisyon ou oswa tout maniskri a. Se konsa, mwen te pwofite tout avantaj de sa li te yon laprès ki te pibliye kèk moun ki enpòtan ki te travay sou revolisyon Ayisyen an editè a te reponn nan senk minit li di pa gen absoliman okenn mache pou yon liv sou literati revolisyon Ayisyen an. Epi sa te jis devastatè paske mwen. Nou t ap panse, ki jan sa ka fè lè gen anpil? e reyèlman li te sou literati a nan, 18tyèm ak 19yèm syèk yo paske moun t ap ekri sou Walcott Césaire ak C .L .R. James ak pyès teyat yo ak lòt rann pwezi ak fiksyon. Men, lide ke nou ta gade Victor Hugo oswa Alexandre Dumas te tèlman ezoterik ke fè, ou konnen, yon trè bon repitasyon, ou konnen, Editè di pa t ‘ka gen okenn mache posib pou sa. Ak jouk jounen jodi a, Tropics of Haiti se liv mwen ki pi site, menm si se liv mwen ki pi long lan. Se konsa, mwen jwenn sa remakab.
Mwen vle rete isit la pou yon minit sou baryè piblikasyon ou te mansyone a anpil gason blan trè popilè. otè yo te jwenn yon chans ekri sou Ayiti epi mwen pral sipoze yo pa t ‘antre nan menm kalite baryè yo ke ou te fè èske se te yon kesyon de yo te deja etabli yo pi gran pase ou oswa èske jèn te yon pati nan pwoblèm nan anplis ras Yeah, mwen vle di, li definitivman epi mwen pa ta vle pale pou nenpòt nan sa yo, lòt otè paske mwen konnen ke kèk nan yo te gen pwoblèm pibliye liv yo tou. an reyalite, yon ti tan anvan li te mouri, mwen te nan yon konferans ak J. Michael Dash, ki soti nan Karayib la, ak diferan idantite ak estrikti. li te pale sou ki jan Ayiti ak Etazini, ki tou fè fas ak literati ak stereotype ak imajinasyon literè a te antre nan menm pwoblèm sa a. Se konsa, nou t ap ri ak ri sou ki jan. editè sa yo pa janm panse sou nou ankò, men gen kalite egzèsis panse kote ou panse,